Danny Luciano: author of Yesterday, Today, Tomorrow ! The
Musicians, Times, & Places
Interview by Beatrice Richardson
Just a short walk through the corridors of time will put you in touch with some
of the most versatile musicians, vocalists, and composers who gave us what
the music world is proud to call the birth of Jazz.
What you find is, if music is the language of the world, when it speaks from
the soul..that's blues when it comes from the heart …that's Jazz.
If a guy makes you pat your foot and you feel it down your back, you don't have to ask anybody if
that's good music or not. You can always feel it.
BR: What inspired you to write this book?
DL: I don't know how interesting that's going to be (laughter) I've been around the music game for a
long time since the late 50s .I've noticed the change in the younger guys and I thought that they were
forgetting who the mainstream guys were. I wanted there to be some interest to the general public. As
far as reminding the younger people that this is what I call "The Ladies and Gentlemen Of Jazz" and
this is what they did. I spoke to quite a few people from San
Francisco to Los Angeles and back to Philadelphia and many don't
want to talk about a Lester Young or Coleman Hawkins. So when
you asked what inspired me to write this book it's along those lines.
I wanted to let the upcoming musicians and people in general know
about jazz.
BR: Danny, You are a musician, a music promoter, TV and music
producer, composer, educator and a writer. Who is Danny Luciano
and what is next?
DL: This is a guy who grew up in South Philadelphia and came up
through the ranks. Sitting in hundreds of bands from the late 50s on
up and that was my way of paying dues. I went on the road with a
lot of recording artist from the late 50s to the early 60s and
recorded 45 records and a couple of albums of my own. Mainly
along the rhythm and blues aspect of it. I played tenor sax in
Atlantic city for about 2-3 years straight and also sat in with a lot of guys. That's when Atlantic City was
a swinging town, that too has changed. I've gone behind the scenes and managed other players. In the
commercial aspect of it I was involved in recording studios and progressed to TV production at station
WKBS 48 in Philadelphia and got to know a person who became a really close friend of mine Guy
Galante. Guy Galante was the production manager and director at WKBS channel 48 in Philadelphia
.We put together 2 pilot shows about jazz, it was very involved . That's how it began.
BR: In a section of your book, called the Jazz Gazette a time to remember you took us from the 20's -
90's . It gave us a meaningful beginning, Has the transition of time change so drastically?
DL: I think so, back then I knew some old players who are not here any longer who I became
acquainted with. They played for the enjoyment (this is my opinion) and today it seems like it's all about
money, if it's not commercial. Back then it was an outlet.
BR: Let's look at the night life of Atlantic City, what was it like ? In your book you felt the excitement of
jazz life.
DL: At that time in the late 50's -early 70's Atlantic City was situated with a beach and board walk and
coming inland the beach, boardwalk, Pacific Ave. Atlantic Ave. These were the two main drags that
were really happening at the time. There were clubs by the handful playing rhythm and blues, jazz and
excitement. The doors were open during the months of May through October. And it went on all night
and all day. This was the four corners . Each corner had a club and each club structured their
performance from 9-3. But in between it was structured where if one club was on a break, like a 20
minute break the musician would come over to play at the corner club. A lot of things were happening
then. There were times when you'd see Ella Fitzgerald come in and sit at a ringside table. I sat with her.
( that tells my age a little, but age is a number ). (Laughter) I've done a lot of workshops in Philadelphia
and Baltimore and things were not done automatically that's what I tell the younger musicians coming
up.
BR: "From where we were" another section of your book you spoke of the closing of many jazz venues.
What would you say are the reasons so many night clubs, musical bars and other small venues that
feature jazz on a regular basis have closed?
DL: It's the economics and the music that has changed.
BR: I have to ask you the question, you asked in your book .Is there ever going to be a resurgence of
jazz?
DL: I hope so . I say I hope so to a resurgence of what I know it as and what you know it as. I don't see
it as I travel these United States extensively . I don't see many of the innovators of jazz.
BR: The Journey-Route 66-excellent segment of your book. Let's talk about the journey, what was it?
DL: There's a jazz night club on the outskirts of Philadelphia, it inspired this area of the book. Where
we've been is going to a night club hearing the music, a trio, a quartet and everyone is having a good
time. Today, you go to a similar play it looks like the backroom of a hotel; nice places but not what you
know or what I know.
BR: How do we keep the music of jazz alive? What is the future of jazz and to pose some of your
questions to you...where are the Coleman Hawkins, the Lester Youngs, the Ella Fitzgeralds, the Billie
Holidays, the Count Basies, the Louis Armstrongs, the Hershel Evans, the Clifford Barnes and the
Danny Lucianos?
DL: I hate to say it looks grim. It is more commercial, the radios play smooth jazz. I am not saying
there's anything wrong with it .I'm saying it's not what I know or you know as jazz. Do you remember
the Metropole in NY?
BR: Yes, I do.
DL: I don't hear that, today they have the Kenny G's fine it's great but where is Louis Jackson, who was
friend of mine, obviously he passed away. But the guy is not here anymore and that style of music is
what see from the younger people as antiquated. When you see some people groovin', taping their foot
to the music and I hear now that's not what you're suppose to do, that's a draw back. It's a technical
thing ...fine..Lester Young wasn't technical, Count Basie wasn't technical. I did a show with Philly Joe
Jones he once said, "It wasn't what Basie played, it was what he didn't play that was so important"
That's what has to be understood.
BR: When I mentioned a few names in your book like Tony Torcasio, Sarge Weiss, Sonny Schwartz,
Guy Galante, Paul "Skinny " D'Amato, Tony Patterson, Nikki Dee, Lew Entin, Explain your friendship
with these guys? When I read each segment that you have written in about these guys you felt the
personal emotions that you felt for them.
DL: We were very close obviously, These guys understood where I was coming from. For instance Lew
Entin he knew me from way back. He was one of the guys I knew when I played in the late 50's. He
said, "If you want to learn to play the sax I'll take you somewhere." We went to PEPS it was a top jazz
club which has since closed. He introduced me to Eddie "Lockjaw " Davis. I didn't know Eddie
"Lockjaw" Davis from a box of matches but I was impressed and he became a friend. Sarge Weiss was
a very warm man . He did a few things with Frank Sinatra. He tried to put an album together with some
original tunes. One of the tunes was to be a tribute to his audience. The album never got off the
ground. There were a lot of legal issues. Frank Sinatra, Dean Martin, and Sammy Davis Jr. did a
tribute to Sarge.
BR: With the new musicians of today, Can you name a few that have paid their dues ? The ones who
have great futures in jazz, who are your favorites?
DL: They are a few I can think of, but one is Joe DeFrancisco, he started at age 9 years and played
with the major players, Larry Mckinnen is another, a tenor player whatever he plays is right. Naturally
folks like Coltrane came through the ranks he was originally a Rhythm and blues singer, he came
through the school of Sonny Rollins. He lived in Philly did the club scenes and did some Barwalking.
BR: Barwalking, I found that topic to be interesting..what exactly is Barwalking?
DL: Barwalking is a topic that often arises in our round table discussion. Understandably so, there are
mixed feelings by many musicians whether or not those who practice "barwalking" during an act,
should be recognized for being serious minded professional musicians. Looking back at the early days
of jazz, showmanship was a signature style for many pioneering Ladies and Gentlemen of jazz.
BR: Danny, What would you tell anyone who wants to be a part of jazz in any aspect as a vocalist, a
musician, a music promoter, and in any walk of life.
DL: Pay Attention to the older guys. They did it! They did it! I don't know if it means anything. But that's
what I tell them, grab those albums and CDs and listen to them.
About the author:
Danny Luciano came up from the ranks of performing with many small entertaining jazz and rhythm &
blues bands that played major venues nationally for more than two decades. He graduated to become
recognized as a leading producer, promoter, composer, agent and creative computer graphic artist who
uses his improvisational experiences and skills of over 30 years in jazz, to educate younger musicians
who are seeking their goals in the world of jazz.
A Thought Provoking interview with Rick
DellaRatta
Interview by Beatrice Richardson
DellaRatta is a crafter, not solely of music in the general sense, but
of a specific ambiance. A jazz artist with a distinctive style augmented
by equally distinctive accompanying musicians. DellaRatta doubles
as the vocalist and pianist in a swinging quartet. He is equally in
depth in both roles.
BR: Tell me about the earliest experience with music you remember and maybe some of the things that
sparked your interest in music, Jazz in particular.
RD: I first became interested in music when a piano appeared in my house. I think what happened was
my father had bought a piano for my mother because she use to play the piano. She was actually a
church organist. But the guy who was moving the piano in on Christmas Eve was a big fat guy and I
thought he was Santa Claus. I didn't know what he was moving in either. I was only 5 or 6 years old. So
when that came into the house I started to go up and sneak and play it. I was fascinated it made
sounds, I listened and tried to figure this instrument out all by myself. That's when I had an inkling that
improvisation was going to be basically a major part of my existence.
Anyway my parents found out about it and took me to have piano lessons. And I studied classical music.
I heard pop music and rock music on the radio with my friends. I was polarized and something told me
to go to the library. That there was this other kind of music and I really needed to hear it. I'm not sure
what sparked me to do this but I ended up going to the library on my own and looking through a big
volume of jazz records. I took these records out of the library on my own and began listening to them. I
would just pick them randomly. I would look and say hmmmm Ornette Coleman, this guy looks
interesting let me try him, let me try John Coltrane, try this one, try that one. It just became fascinating
to me. It was really hard for me to follow what they were doing, yet I knew they were doing something
along that was along the creative energy, the improvisation energy, the improvisation energy I had
when I stood up at the piano just standing when I reached my hand along top of the keys and made
sound. So, I felt a correlation between what they were doing and what I was doing, when I was trying
to create and figure out the piano all by myself. So I ended up spending a lot time at the piano
pretending I was practicing my lessons but really improvising and creating on my own. Fortunately, I
did play classical music enough to get into a music school that had jazz in it.
Once I got into New England Conservatory I was able to study with Jaki Byard. He was really my first
jazz teacher (he just passed away). That wasn't until was in college. I was playing in rock and roll
bands where I was improvising and playing dance bands. I was also improvising a lot in church. But I
really didn't have that much of a grasp of jazz improvisation concepts. So I was able to get started with
Jaki on the side I was a classical piano major. I was able to sneak into the jazz department and get a
sneak. And it took off from there.
BR: When did you know that you wanted to play jazz music as a career?
RD: I knew I had a feeling that music was going to be my career at a very early age. Because I felt A) a
need to create and improvise an B). I felt a need to reach people through the healing process of music,
So, I saw how the feeling of popular music would generate in people almost like a healing and uplifting
feeling in pop, gospel and a lot of forms of music. I saw the spirituality of creative improvisation and I
knew that there was some sort of combination I wanted. At the time I wasn't sure. I studied all forms of
music including classical extensively. Until I got to the point where I felt I wanted to do something that
was not only satisfying for myself artistically but also could make a contribution as vocalist and a jazz
instrumentalist.
BR: Who have been some of your greatest inspirations and influences? What was it about them that
made such an impression on you?
RD: Actually it was a counselor when I went to a camp. The camp counselor's name was Bill Allen, we
use to go on hikes together and he use to turn me on to music. Some of the music he turned me on to
was very creative sort of progressive rock, some of the music had a lot of classical influence, and then
he would also turn me on to a band called Weather Report that was an off shoot of Miles Davis' electric
group that had Wayne Shorter, Joe Zawinul and numerous different great players who came and went.
In addition Chick Corea's "Return To Forever" and I noticed those guys kind of enabled me to go into
other forms of jazz. It was stepping stone to other forms of jazz. it was a indirect influence into the
whole world of jazz.
BR: Not many artist play and sing. Does having to sing while you play the piano make it difficult?
RD: I honestly never realized it, when I started singing I was first singing in bands because I had a
different type of voice. The group felt I could make a contribution in terms of the way I could sing
certain songs that would fit that mold. After that I started to get a lot of work as a solo pianist vocalist
and traveling around the country and in doing so I saw the ability of my voice to reach people in a
different way than the instrumental side was. When I would come back from those tours and just play
the piano in jazz groups after a while I started to miss the ability to reach the audiences. I would feel
almost caged a little bit because I knew there was something inside of me that could reach these people
but the other guys didn't really know it. I was the one who recently got off the tour as a vocalist and
they still knew me as a piano player. I was confined because when I was toying as a singer I saw the
way I could reach people and possibly draw them into jazz and communicate the jazz more.
As a leader it just became natural for me to become a singer and instrumentalist. I'll tell you something I
didn't realized being a singer would actually make me a better piano player. One day I was in a hotel,
The Gramercy Park Hotel in NY. I was playing there and Michel Petrucciani walked into the lounge,
well he was the one that brought it to my attention. He was in the lounge he listened for awhile then he
went out. I guess he was registering in the hotel, and then he came back into the lounge and stayed for
quite some time. After a couple of sets I said, gee maybe I should say hello, so I went and said hello to
him, and he said, "sit down I want to talk to you". And we began talking. He began to tell me of how
great it was that a). I knew the lyrics to all the standards I was singing and b). I was singing and
playing, he said, that's so important in your lyricism and developing your own voice. He really
enlightened me to the fact that it was very likely that my singing was going to make me a better pianist.
That's what ended up happening I ended up noticing that my singing made me a better pianist. I think
singing has helped me to be in a supportive role for other singers or instrumentalist.
BR: You've toured extensively, What differences have you noticed between European jazz audiences
and American jazz audiences?
RD: Americans take the music for granted it seems a bit more than European audiences. Most recently
in Europe I was in Bulgaria, and there it was just a fascination with them. It seemed like they were
starved for it. They just couldn't wait to hear the music, enjoy it, and be a part of it. They really felt like
it was something special. Par of it has to do with the fact that is not as accessible to them. Here people
take it for granted. Over there especially in a place like Bulgaria they don't know when they'll get a
again. Sometime they may have a couple of festivals a year. They don't have as many opportunities. I
think they cherish the opportunity to hear jazz more than here where they feel if they miss it today, they
can see it tomorrow. Also because it's not imported, it's not presented correctly. The way it's presented
over there is much greater a lot of times, here the owners try to make an extra buck off of the music and
try to use it in that format. It's not really presented whereas over there it's an import. And so the
presentation is a better presentation.
BR: What kind of toll does touring non stop take on you?
RD: I think there's a certain unknown that's what takes a lot out of you. Because you don't know what
to expect, you're working with different promoters, different agents, different sets of circumstances. It's
the incredible amounts of uncertainty that takes the most out of you. But at the same time it makes it
exciting. The unexpected has 2 ramifications 1) it creates a certain excitement and 2) it zaps a lot of
energy because a lot adapting has to take place. Some situations are the travel that takes place others
are the planes or the variable surrounding it. The unexpected and the unknown are what takes the most
out of you.
BR: What's your favorite part of your job composing, recording, performing or a combination of all
three?
RD: A combination of the three because composing is like giving birth and performing is watching the
birth grow up. They both have their draw backs and good points. One problem with performing is the
performance situation it can be heaven or hell. It depends on how you're presented and who you're
performing with and the music you're performing. It's also the magic in the music when you're
performing. all those variables make it extremely challenging to have an ideal situation every time.
Performing would be the most exciting if the situation was at it's most optimum but those optimums are
unfortunately the exception and not the rule.
BR: I would like to talk you about 2 of your releases "Thought Provoking " and "Live In Brazil" I
notice on both releases the track "Living inside a Dream" is on both of them?
RD: Very simply you'll find that in live recordings, because sometimes a song takes off with a certain
audience from a studio recording and naturally you'll want to perform that song live. That song was
actually made into a music video. That song has a certain amount of appeal to may cultures. People in
Asia, Europe, USA there are people who hear that song in many cultures. Even in Africa, Although I've
never been to Africa I heard there's an interest in that song.
BR: In "Thought Provoking" I really like he release "Everything I have is Yours"
RD: It's one of those tunes, The great thing about it is that it hasn't been recorded a lot. To take a song
that people may not have heard, it's a gem. The gem of a standard.
BR: Your rendition on the track "If I only had a brain" that was exceptionally done.
RD: Thanks, I enjoyed doing it.
BR: The track "Say you'll be mine" That was one of my favorites, so much so I shared the words with
someone very close to me.
RD: Thank you so much. My brother was getting married and I wanted to write something to express his
love. I looked at their relationship and I saw how he felt towards her. I wanted to write something that
he felt for his bride to be. So I wrote that song and that was their first dance at their wedding. A very
different version of that song will be coming out soon. A Solo Studio Release called "Alone Together"
and that's my next CD. It will initially be coming out on a web site MCY. It's a new site. It' starting a CD
where you can download the music. And it's launched in June. The release will be actually coming out
in the fall but coming out exclusively on the music web site mcy.com
BR: What prompted you to record the track "When it's sleepy time down south"?
RD: It's a song I've always loved by Louis Armstrong, It's one of his great standards that he sings. I was
playing at the Blue Note. And I had some people come there from the South. Actually my cousin had
come in he's originally from Florida and he had been in town and he came to see me and there were
some people from the south. And I thought this would be a good song to play. I had gone to Florida
ever since I was a little kid. My mother's originally from Florida. This feeling for Everglades and even
though I've never been to Louisiana or Mississippi where that song is about I still have that feeling of
the Everglades, that lazy kind of feeling that you get in the south. I tried to bring that in my rendition of
the song.
BR: You've won the 1997 Backstage award, the 1997 and 1998 Mac award nominee, 1998 ascap
popular award winner. What do you see in terms of your future?
RD: I like to do more in the US. I'd like to help jazz gain more popularity in the US. in my own country.
So I'd like to use some of my popularity. So I'd like to use some of my notoriety and things I've built up
in other countries, in other places and if there was anyway possible in terms of helping jazz broaden
and reach more people in this country, maybe bring jazz to the level here that it exist in so many other
countries.
BR: Do you have specific goals in mind you want to share with us?
RD: One of the greatest thing I'd like to do is perform when it's at the optimum situation and presented
properly, when I have the opportunity to really express myself as an artist and when performing with
top notch musicians. A goal of mine is to make those optimum situations that I enjoy so much and I feel I
can reach people with my music. My goal would be to make those situations the norm instead of the
exception. So that would be a definite goal of mine. I have musical goals that I'm always trying to
achieve and I'd hope to achieve those that are in front of me.
BR: In " Live in Brazil" included in your trio was one of my favorite drummers, The Late Denis
Charles. What was it like working with him?
RD: It was really in many cases almost heavenly. I had the opportunity to not only play with someone
who was as influential an artist as Denis but also in touring with him, we got to spend a lot of time
together. Long 9-10 hour plane flights traveling to different places. I was able to benefit from his
experience, his expertise and his views on life. I feel like I really learned a lot from him and I felt
flattered immensely by the support I got from him both musically and spiritually. Just to have someone
of that statue so supportive of me and what I was doing. I just felt honored.
BR: I've loved music all my life and I've met all kinds of musicians, jazz musicians stand out to me for
a couple of reasons, They are very soulful people, they're very warm, honest and hip. Do you notice this
as well?
RD: Yes, I must say the experience of the life of jazz, it's a rewarding spiritual experience. You are
instilled with something we are all able to pick up on. Often when we meet each other we can sense a
similarity of experience that a life of jazz has brought us. It's the same with the listeners.
BR: How much of making it in the music business is raw talent versus hand work and dedication?
RD: I think the problem is that there's a huge disparity between making it as an artist and making it in
terms of making a living. There are personal goals that you want to achieve as an artist that don't
necessarily have anything to do with your ability to make living financially as an artist. So
unfortunately there's a conflict you're posed with a situation where you're tempted in order to make
ends meet than you like on the business side of things. And you worry about it taking away from
reaching your artistic goals. It often becomes conflicting in what you need to do to become a successful
and in the business side of music often conflicts with what you feel you need to do in terms of achieving
your own musical goals.
BR: Where will you be performing next?
RD: I just came back from Philadelphia. I was playing with a Brazilian band, A Brazilian rhythm
section from NY along with some fine horn players from Philadelphia. I have a few gigs in NYC and
Conn. One in Hartford with my own trio at the 880 jazz club and another Main and Hopewell with my
quartet. The clubs are getting smaller. The festivals are once a year and they make you feel you are
going to a jazz festival and there is no jazz. It's mixed with other forms of music. But where is the jazz.
There's something that needs to be changed and that's what I hope to do. I do something that I feel is
marketable yet it doesn't eliminate jazz. Whereas, most marketable supposedly jazz artist don't have
much jazz in their act. I can't do it on my own, someone will have to recognize that I'm trying to do this
and I think I can make a contribution. Give me the opportunity to make that contribution to bring jazz
to the table without alienating an audience that just don't know what jazz is. What I'm hoping for is
some of these festivals to get to the point where they say instead of an act that has no jazz in it why
don't we bring Rick and see if Rick can reach the generic audience and still give them jazz. That's my
goal.
BR: What advice would you give someone who thinks he or she might want to pursue a career in jazz?
RD: There is a great guitarist I played with name Mike Goodrich who said to me if you have to play
jazz, if it's something you don't have to do then by all means avoid it. But if it's something you have to
do. Then do it. There's no profession like it. All the rewards in the world are open to you. So I think you
must follow your star, follow your heart and don't worry about the obstacles. You will be rewarded one
way or another. Even though so few artist get rewarded with a record contract or acclaim or publicity
or gigs and so many great artist have struggled and died penniless and every thing. And even though
it's all that adversity, I recall Larry Willis, The great pianist once told me. One of the keys to life is to
create opportunity from adversity. Therefore, my advice is follow your star and you'll be glad you did.
To find out more about Rick, Check out his website at: http://interjazz.com/delarata.
Up close and personal with Joe Sherbanee
Writen by Beatrice Richardson
Technical virtuosity combines with emotional depth in the music of Joe Sherbanee. With eloquent writing and
vivid themes . The Road Ahead , Sherbanee's daring debut album for Native Language music , breaks down
music barriers. Fusing together contemporary jazz with funk, blues, and pop
influences, the crossover appeal becomes obvious in a style that cannot be
categorized.
BR: You were taught by your father to play the drums ..Was that your first
introduction into music?
JS: Yes, I would think so, we were not a musical family , we're not a family that
plays instruments .MY dad happened to play the drums when he was younger,
just as a casual hobby .He also played the drums while in the navy. We had a
drum set at home and he'd play when he had time. He works way too hard , sorta
like me. I picked it up from him because it was the cool thing to do. I really got involved in it when I was in
high school. I was in the drum line and I did all that fun stuff. I was in the jazz band and sort of progressed
into a compositional writing, performing and kept going and Here I am.
BR: So you would say that's your first intro. to music?
JS: I would say so, into playing music, hearing music with piano lessons with a combination of having your
folks listening to your music. Your dad plays the drums and I think my cousin played the clarinet in a
marching band. Those kinds of things. Music is something that is kind of born and bred in the culture of
where you're at and certainly as you grow up you hear things on the radio and you see things on the TV. The
culture sort of becomes a part of you. You see and hear things you like and try to emulate that or try to learn
what are they doing . That's how I got started.
BR: How did you become introduced to jazz?
JS: I would say starting around high school being a member of the jazz band . I know being a member in the
drum line, there were a lot of other guys that were really listening to solid musicians, and I think because jazz
is a musician based music form versus rock which would be more band oriented. In jazz you listen for certain
musicians. There's a really happening drummer named Will Kennedy , I just loved what he was doing. I was
13 years old so anything that anyone does really catches your eye, you start listening to stuff they do. It just
so happens that a good majority of these people were in the jazz genre and I started cutting my feet and all. I
grew up listening to Huey Lewis and the News and the talking Heads and those kinds of groups. So it was a
little bit of a change for me. It's a musicians art form and it's a musicians music and it seemed like the fitting
place for me to be. I started really looking at these people and trying to figure out what they were doing. It
was so many levels it captivated me. And trying to do my own thing , you want to have your own voice out of
all that . And Here I am . (laughter)
BR: You've studied at the prestigious Berklee College of music and recently graduated with a degree in Music
Business at the University Of Southern California.
JS: Berklee has it's own mystique , I will not stop talking good things about Berklee. It was one of the best
experiences I've had had in my whole life. Being a member of that family, being a member of a really elite
group of musicians, producers, writers, composers and teachers was almost indescribable. You walk down
the halls and one classroom would be teaching 20th century classical composition counterpoint, the other
class would be going over writing harmony, another class would be working on recording techniques. There
was a heavy metal class. The thing with that was you never saw people in the hallway or your dorm that were
mere images of you. There were people you could meet and people you could talk to and discuss on an open
level about music. Something you couldn't get going in a regular college. These people were all in the same
boat you were in. I wouldn't say forced to be a part of it as much as you could. But it became a part of you.
The environment Boston had a great cultural center . It was such a great experience.
BR: Who would you say are the persons who have influenced you the most musically?
JS: First and foremost every one I've listened to I really like. I really like to pick up on what everyone is
doing --it's tough to say that everyone is your influence bit it's a big factor, if I had to nail it down I'd have to
say the Yellow Jackets, because I really sat and listened to their work. Consequently I've been fortunate
enough to work with them on different levels and really got to soak in what they're doing . I am a huge fan of
Pat Metheny and grew up as I said earlier listening to Huey Lewis , so I have a pop thing happening. But it's
difficult to say there are a lot of people I listen and respect what they are doing. I like setting moods. I like
setting atmosphere and music. There are only a handful of people that can show you that. I'm also a big film
buff, So I get a lot of my inspiration from film scores and atmospheric music.
BR: You're right the music scores in film set the tone , the emotional moods are touched upon.
JS: I think that one of the crutches in the genre, the contemporary jazz format is that there is no vision and
they are very flat and I like to set the atmosphere . That's where you can close your eyes and see what is
going on. To a certain extinct I think "Big Cities" the first cut recorded is evident of that you can hear all the
sounds going on. "November" (another cut) to a certain extinct you can close your eyes and feel you're right
there listening to these guys. It's important to give people more than what they're just seeing at face value. I
think there's more that can be read into it and people really want to read into it. If not you're just listening to
good music or nice music.
BR: Tell me why you chose jazz over any other genre of music?
JS: I think if I were born and raised in the south I would have different music influences , then I would have
growing up in the west coast. Being a part of a large city like Los Angeles. I grew up in Orange County
which is a half hour south of LA. But it's still part of the same community. There's a lot of urban textures that
are happening here. There's a lot of jazz , there's a lot of rock. It's a lot of everything . But it seems like I
clicked into jazz from my experiences growing up in school. Musicians I like were a part of that forum. No
one in my family likes jazz , no one it's just weird...(laughter)
BR: Are you kidding?
JS: No, my dad is an oldies guy , he loves the Ventures, the Temptations and all the other groups . They are
great groups. I listen to them too. My mother has a complete different taste of music. My love of music grew
out of the vision that some of these people had like Pat Metheny , the Yellow Jackets. The music was more an
art form than it is for a lot of people. It's a lot of other experiences things you hear and see that shape who
you are. I like to think that I'll evolve into something else in a little bit. What I've been hearing a lot about is
the cut "The Destination ,The Journey". That's a really big sentence to put out there but in a way it describes
what I'd like to do in the road ahead. Let's see where this goes. I'm a Virgo so things are never accomplished,
things are never finished, you can always perfect on things. I look back and that record was recorded 2
years ago and there are things on it that I say Oh Please I can't listen to that anymore. I'd to go back and
redo it (laughter ) but you have to bring that spontaneity back and leave things as they are. It's a snap shot
of who you were when it was done and take those experiences of things you have heard and things you've
learned and try to move forward and use those things to create new experiences.
BR: In the new Release "The Road Ahead" one of the tracks "November" It explores the parts of a
relationship which deal with loss and pain. What were your experiences?
JS: I don't mean to pump up any sort of relationship or something life shattering
or a sort of look at me kinda thing. I think a lot of tunes were more of a personal
therapy kind of thing . Or just a relationship I was going through at the time.
That was something sparked out of trying to express something really strong and
something really simple at that time. I chose a full base melody , changes that
were a little common but on the other hand things were a little out there. I
wanted to make that sound unrefined and a little raw. I think the downside of a
relationship .the emotional roller coaster if you will, can make you feel like that
a lot of times. I wanted to try to capture where I was at the time. It wasn't a major
depression thing. It was a little difficult for me in that this girl was a big part of
my life. It's a part of growing up and growing through a normal relationship.
BR: The "Road Ahead" That struck me as a means of moving forward...What does it represent?
JS: I certainly think it means what you have to look forward to The places you can go , the people you can
meet. I don't think it's just what's ahead of you and at the same token it's what's behind you, what you've been
through and where you're at. It's a past, present and future all rolled into one. A lot of it implies my hope for
my future of what I'd like to accomplish for myself, the goal I've set for myself . I think it really matters that
I'm very young doing this( 22 years old) It's positives, this is what I have to look forward to. when you do
certain things therapy , they become personal , you get a little tunnel vision about it. You only see things a
certain way and I wanted to use the record and the tune to open up my mind a little. The Road Ahead is a
visible element. There are a lot of weird people you can meet along the road. Anything you can think of from
the big cities to the little clubs, to the little bar in Nebraska that plays blues tunes . It just works!
BR: The track 5:30 Friday , That's a let loose funky, contemporary jazz number, a feel good number.
JS: It's funny my partner Theo Bishop and I we are always joking about naming instrumental tunes because
what do you name it Happy Days...So we said, "This is the kind of tune you could put on in your car and it's
Friday...5:30 Friday hey that's kinda cool, It's unique because it's not just a west coast time, it's the end of the
week , and the sound of something new. It has that beginning , middle, and end kind of feel, past, present,
future ride to work and it's interesting , and it is what it is. 5:30 Friday was more specifically the weekend
going to see his girl , it wasn't necessary the weekend , the weekend gave you time to relax , it gave you
something to look forward to. You're kind of excited and mellow but then you say hey wait a minute things
could be getting better.
BR: Your rendition of "Blackbirds" is very different it's relaxing , very straight forward, it's mellow
JS: It is very different and it fits very weird with a lot of people . I'll be quite honest it is my least favorite tune
on the record in that I wasn't very happy with what I did . But it's the tune everyone talks about , the press.
Andy does a really interesting unit version of blackbird , it's very loose , drums are very tight , but then it's
got a real loose feel on top of it. I think the thing that sat well with me was the lyrics "Take these broken
wings and learn to fly" again it was very visible to me and it's for that reason that was recorded.
BR: Let's talk about "San Luis" Tell me how that rainy night in Boston inspired you to write this tune?
JS: It was another one of those dorm nights and I needed to get away , there's practice rooms every where
and I just wanted to play. It was about two in the morning and I just heard it in my head , I sat down at the
piano and hammered away until about six in the morning . I wanted to express how I was feeling at the time,
and I wanted to talk to talk to somebody and not just your mom or an old friend from high school but to talk
to someone that would really listen to you and talk to them about your feelings, a lot of people don't do that.
You keep a lot of stuff to your self and that wasn't what I really wanted to keep to myself. I put it on paper
and I thought it would be a musical letter to a friend , but it sort of evolved into this conversation piece. I
think my Yellow Jackets influence can be heard here. The soprano sax has it's own character, the fretless
bass has it's own character and you think these people were talking to each other. You could close your eyes
and listen and you can hear the bass do it's own thing . The soprano will comment on it and back and forth
and they'll mingle together and it'll be done. It's a musical conversation....That's why I wrote it.
BR: Tell me about the independent contemporary jazz label and Watermark entertainment. What's in the
future for these 2 companies?
JS: Certainly the label is strong , You're a local musician and want more than anything to land a deal with a
record label and it never happens so you try to do what you can to survive as a musician and as an artist. It
started initially as just a name we had for the stuff we were doing and the long short of it was the people
were seriously responding to the things we were doing and it wasn't just on a local basis . We received fan
letters from all over the world and it was frightening .We received broadcast royalty checks from South
Africa and France, fan letters from Yugoslavia and from Brazil a few weeks ago. And you wonder how it gets
out there to those people , I think the internet has a lot to do with it. The music is finding it's way to people .
We weren't really selling a lot , we were doing well but not really making a lot of money, But we had income.
It sort of developed as a need to facilitate all that was going on around us. I have a music business
background and a degree in music business and it just seemed right . Now we are finding new talent and
we're trying to new stuff out and we're a full company with international distribution. It's a good thing for
someone who thought he wanted to write music for his family and friends( laughter) Watermark Entertainment
is a secondary relationship I have with film Director, Jon Larson. we're working on a couple of feature film
productions. That's my other life. We have a lot of stuff going on right now. I wanted to include that with what
I'm doing because one thing leads to another on either avenue. It's sort of a technically or benefit I wanted to
have . A safe guard if you will.
BR: What do you see in terms of your future? What specific goals do you have for yourself?
JS: My future consist of making people happy and getting music , getting entertainment, getting the arts to
people that I wouldn't say don't necessarily have it but who need enlightenment , who need some sort of
spiritual lift on some levels. We are doing this to make money, I'm not going to kid you , I have to make a
living but with my experience and education it seems like the logical thing to do. I want the opportunity to
make more records and be a part of peoples lives. I want to be a part of the more visual side of things and
have a company who will be able to produce entertainment of any kind. I want to give people the opportunity
to have their own voice. That's what Native Language is about. Where people have their own way of saying
things and they have a medium , they have an outlet for that. That hasn't been available to them previously.
BR: What's your favorite part about being a jazz musician, composing, performing or being on the road?
JS: My favorite part is the relationship you make , the diversity of talent and music that's around you. The
writers, the people , the culture that's around it. It can be fun , it can be intellectual, it can be a lot of things.
This type of art form is relatively clean in that it's not rap music , it's not hard aggressive, It's not I have a
gripe with the world kind of music. There's something there , it's musicians music and there's an art to it. It
certainly is the founding point of most contemporary music, rock & roll , blues all started from this .In the
same roots. So if you're really going to get down in developing something new you have to know where you
were at in the past. I think jazz is a really solid place to start.
BR: Tell me about your composing habits?
JS: I need a lot of work though . I'm the guy that wears all the hats in the business, in the family, and I like to
be able to sit for 3 weeks straight and play my instrument and purge my thoughts. I don't have the time that is
afforded me that I would like on a deep concentrated level. I still play, perform , produce, write I'm still doing
all of that stuff. I have to run the ship as my partner says. I need a place to support my artist. My personal
life kind of takes a back seat to all of that unfortunately . It is certainly temporary . I plan to keep writing ,
it's a matter of feeling it too. I can't just sit down and force something out, if I feel something I will go to the
piano and write it down as much as I can or I tape record myself singing. I don't sing very well, so I try to
write down as much as I can. I'd like to believe I have a long way to go, I'd like to believe I can still listen to
new things and be able to write new things and be a part of a good place in the world and I think jazz has
that ability.
BR: When you compose , for example your release "The Road Ahead " and you set up the recording dates,
and you have the musicians in that you want to perform on it, have they seen the music before they get into
the studio?
JS: A lot of times yes, because of my relationship with them they've heard the stuff I've been working on. But
on the other hand , they're guys who come to play a few parts on your record and be done with it. That's the
way it is. Things can be better or worse.
BR: What comes to mind as some of the most memorable experiences you've had as a professional musician?
JS: I would say performing with some really good guys , my continuously spending time with the Yellow
Jackets is something I hold very dear to me. Relationships I have and people I have played with. I'm very
fortunate that I'm in a good circle of people that support what I do and I hold that as memorable as anything
else because they all give me my experiences to grow from.
BR: What advice would you give someone who thinks he or she might want to pursue a career in jazz?
JS: Believe in yourself and believe in what you do, and don't give in to what people tell you is the right thing
to do. I think it's very important to make mistakes make lots of them so you learn. I was told growing up you
have every opportunity to fail and you should do that. Because it's either do or do not kind of thing .If you
don't you'll never know what could have gotten yourself into. if you fail you pick yourself up and move on.
You would have learned something from that opportunity. You should believe in yourself , believe in what you
do even if it's the perfect or the most commercial form . Do your music not what everyone is telling you to do
or what's selling . I think Native language will have a great place in the business. We need to bring the art
back into the music that's been lacking for sometime. Joe Sherbanee is currently producing Theo Bishop's
new album that will feature Jonathan Butler, Eric Marienthal , Nathan East, Lori Perry , Steve Oliver and
Steve Reid of the Rippingtons. What I like most about doing what I'm doing says Sherbanee, Is the ability to
diversify and simply create a piece of work that in part inspires and provokes thought. I don't know if I can
peg myself as a musician or a filmmaker , but an artist that just likes what he's doing.....
For more information on Joe and his label, check out www.nativelanguage.com